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Change her full name from "Maria Antoina Josefa Johanna" to "Maria Antonia Josefa Johanna"
(Spelling error in Antonia, the name is spelled correctly in the rest of the article but not right at the start) 77.191.21.33 (talk) 17:29, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the family tree near the bottom of the page, what is Henrietta of England doing among the ancestors of Louis XV?
Louis XIV's wife was Maria Teresa of Spain, mother of the Grand Dauphin (Louis XV's grandfather). As daughter of Felipe IV of Spain, Maria Teresa was also the niece of Louis XIV's mother, a daughter of Felipe III and halfsister of Felipe IV)... the present family tree does away with the cause of the war for Spanish Succession (Queen Anne's War, in the tradition of US historians) and gets rid of all the Spanish line of Bourbons that reaches until today!!
"Despite her attempts to remain out of the public eye, Marie Antoinette was falsely accused in the libelles of having an affair with Lafayette, whom she loathed, and, as was published in Le Godmiché Royal ("The Royal Dildo"), of having a sexual relationship with the English baroness Lady Sophie Farrell of Bournemouth, a well-known lesbian of the time."
This paragraph was curious to me, as a "well-known lesbian of the time" is a figure I'd find interesting. However, looking up her names, along with variations like "Lady Sophie Farrell," "Sophie of Bournemouth," and the like, returned a multitude of results... None of which provided a source, and all of which seemed to be drawing directly from this Wikipedia article.
Luckily, Le Godmiché Royal is available online, and I'm a native French speaker. So I went and read it... And it does not mention a Lady Sophie Farrell, of Bournemouth or anywhere else, at any point. In classic roman à clef fashion, the two characters of the play are Junon (meant to be Marie Antoinette) and Hebe (meant to be one of her confidantes). Comments on the text suggest that Hebe must have been either the Duchess of Polignac or the Princesse de Lamballe, two women close to Marie Antoinette who were slandered as having lesbian relationships with her.
It's possible that someone, at some point, interpreted Hebe in the text of The Royal Dildo as being Lady Sophie Farrell, but if so, the article should cite this secondary source which provides this interpretation, as opposed to the text, which does not present evidence of its claim. Furthermore, I can find no trace of Lady Sophie Farrell, "well-known lesbian of the time," existing at all. Both Polignac and Lamballe were, by all evidence, straight women targeted by a slander campaign.
Either someone has to be able to do what I couldn't and find the historical Lady Farrell and her connection to Mari -Antoinette, and add those to the page, or the article needs to be corrected. 109.223.9.174 (talk) 22:10, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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